G - George Kelsey

For a long time, the furthest back we were able to confirm in the Kelsey family, was Thomas Kelsey born about 1808 in Hinnington, Old Forge, Grindle or Shifnal, Shropshire depending on which record you read. Back when we started census and parish registers were not available online – we didn’t even know what “online” was.

Mum and Dad had a copy of his marriage certificate, to his second wife which had been purchased mistakenly when trying to find the marriage of his son with the same name. We found Thomas and his wife on the 1881 census, because thanks to a couple of other certificates we had a location to look around. From the marriage certificate we also knew his father’s name, George.

Slowly records came online, we looked for other family members at each record release. Finally in the 1861 census there were two people who we hoped and guessed might have been brothers. They too gave their birthplaces as Hinnington or Shifnal.

Much more recently, church records for Shropshire became available online, an alternative way to research than finding a Family History Centre or affiliate library to read microfilm. These linked them all together, three sons and later possibly a daughter or two born and baptised between 1800-1810 in Ryton, Shifnal and Hinnington. After poring over old maps there even appeared to be a building or locality called Old Forge as well.

Their parents were George Kelsey (or was it Kelshaw, Kelsal, Kelshall or Kilsey) and Catherine Buckley. They were married in Ryton, Shropshire on 4 Mar 1798. They used all the spelling variations for their children’s baptisms, and their children perpetuated the variations in marriage, death and census records. Thomas even kept the variations up for the births and baptisms of his own children.

George’s parents are suspected to be George Kelsey (or Kelshaw) and Mary. They were married in Shifnal on 10 April 1766 and had a daughter, Mary, in 1769. George’s baptism is yet to be found or confirmed. George Snr was 93 when he died in Grindle in February 1821 – a pretty good innings for those times.

George Jnr died in January 1830 at Ryton. Now that we had a myriad of alternate names to search, I began looking for their children as adults in censuses where we had already tried and given up. William and John did not marry and worked most of their lives at Hinnington Mill where they were labourers. John died in 1862 at Kemberton which was where his brother Thomas lived with his family. William died of “senile decay” in 1885 in the Union Workhouse. What became of their daughter Mary and who was Ann Dulson the informant on Catherine’s death certificate? Could she have been a married daughter? Catherine died in Hinnington in May 1851.

Now with DNA some matches are suggesting there could have been another son, James, born about 1798. Could this be right? Has anyone found documents to support this? When I look at the suggested pathway there isn’t any evidence, but they ARE matches, on the right branch of the family, so there must be something somewhere – right?

Do you know? Is George’s family your family too? Please get in contact, perhaps we can collaborate.

F - Frances Jane Selleck

I’ve picked a random person here. I don’t know too much at all about Frances except what I have found on official documents. I only just realised now that she is related in two ways!

Frances was the eighth child of James Selleck and Ann, nee Palfrey. She was the second cousin of my great grandfather Francis Davys. Her maternal grandfather Joseph Palfrey and James’ grandmother Anne Palfrey were siblings. But she was also related the same way on her father’s side of the family. Her paternal grandmother Mary Selleck, nee Norman was a sister of James’ grandfather William Norman.

It is a tangled little web for sure, this part of the tree. 

Frances was born in 1867 in Clatworthy, Somerset. She would not have known my great grandfather because by the time she was born, he had been living in New Zealand with his parents and siblings for five years. Her father was a farmer, and they were living at Sedgeborough Farm in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. By the time of the 1891 census, although they were still at Sedgeborough, the farm had now passed to her brother Tom as their father had died in January of that year.

Frances married in 1900 to another strong contender to be the subject of todays blog, Fenwick Charles Clatworthy Greenslade. They lived at Parsonage Farm, Luxborough where they had three children. In 1921 at the census in June, they had moved next door to Westcott Farm. Frances died in 1926; she didn’t live long enough to see her children marry or to meet her grandchildren.

Do you have any Selleck, Palfrey, Norman, Greenslade or even Davys’ in your tree? Maybe you are part of my tree too. Please contact me if you think we might share some connections.

E - Emma Timms

My Nana’s father was the youngest in his family. He had five older sisters and one older brother. His mother died when he was about nine months old. For five years or so his eldest sisters probably cared for him along with their grandparents who lived nearby.

Nana didn’t talk about her aunts or uncle or cousins though, apart from one. Most of them were a lot older than she and her siblings, so it is possible she didn’t even know them.

Alice was fourteen when her youngest brother was born, almost fifteen when her mother died. She was born in Mason Street, Milverton, Warwickshire. In 1881 on the census, she is recorded as a Scholar even though she was eighteen. After this census though each time she is recorded as an Inmate or Pauper living in the Warwick Union Workhouse (later known as the Warwick Union Institution and the Warwick Public Assistance Institute). She died in1944 at Shipston Hospital in Shipston-on-Stour.

May was eleven when her brother was born and twelve when their mother died. In 1881 on the census, she is recorded aged fifteen, living away from the family (but still in Milverton) as a housemaid for a retired Army Major General and his family. She was married in 1887 to William Byford and they had five children, one of whom died in infancy. This is the family Nana sometimes mentioned, they were Green Grocers in the early 1900s. May died in 1946.

Mary was nine when her brother was born and their mother died. Before 1889 she moved away from Milverton to Birmingham. Most likely for work as Birmingham offered many opportunities not found in Milverton. She was married in Birmingham in1889 to Henry Edward, a Pork Butcher and had four children. Sadly, Mary died eight days after the birth of her fourth child and her husband returned with his young family to live in Leamington and Milverton. One of Mary’s daughters lived for a time with her aunt May.

Fanny was six when her brother was born and their mother died. Fanny possibly moved to Birmingham at about the same time as Mary. In 1891 on the census, she is lodging with a family in Kings Norton and was employed as a Metallic Bedstead Decorator. Two years later in 1893 she was married to John Ashford a Cycle Polisher, in Birmingham. They had five children and spent the rest of their lives in Birmingham. Fanny died in 1941.

James was the first son in his family; he was two when his brother was born and their mother died. He became a Cellarman in a brewery but later was a much-respected inspector for the RSPCA. He married Ellen Newey and they had three children. They lived in Emscote and Leamington. James died in 1943.

George, the baby of the family was born in 1877 and his mother died in 1878. His father remarried when he was five years old to a widow with no children who lived across the road. She died in 1932, thirty years after their father. As far as I recall she was never talked about by Nana, though surely, she knew her as they lived almost next door.

But this blog is about Emma – I have shared briefly what I know about all the other members of the family. We have DNA matches with the descendants of most of them. But what about Emma? 

Emma was four when her brother was born and their mother died; her fifth birthday was the day after her mother died. Her full name is Emma Jane; she appears aged seven on the 1881 census although she was eight. And that is it! She has just vanished. By the 1891 census she would have been eighteen, she could have married, emigrated or died, but so far (over probably 20-30 years) I have not been able to find one little clue.

Are any of these people your great great aunts or uncles too? Or great great grandparents perhaps? Do you know anything about Emma? If you do, please share I would love to hear from you.

 

D - David Hall

I have a bit of a conundrum with my great great great grandfather David Hall. He was born about 1800 most likely in Cavan, or Monaghan, Ireland. He married about 1820 to Margaret Pritchard and they had about thirteen children.

But who were his parents? 

There are a few challenges unravelling this.

·         There is at least one other David Hall born around the same time and in the general area.

·         The family is likely an Ulster Plantation family – because let’s face it, Hall is not a very Irish surname. They lived in the same area for generations, went to the same Presbyterian churches and intermarried A LOT.

·         David’s daughter Anne, my great great grandmother, married another Hall. Just a coincidence? A cousin or second cousin?

William Hall, Anne’s husband was the son of Samuel Hall and Sarah Bailey. We knew this, as well as who Anne’s parents were from their death certificates in New Zealand. For a long time that was the extent of our knowledge.

Then along came DNA and the discovery that other branches of Samuel’s tree had also come to New Zealand. Surely people at the time knew one another and the family connection – but overtime the knowledge was lost.

Contacting other DNA testers in an endeavour to unravel the Irish branch of our tree, research all seemed to point to Samuel’s parents being William Hall 1769-1833 and Arabella Reilly.

Certainly, there are a lot of DNA matches where you can see the connections to each other through Samuel’s siblings. Researchers had found records for the children of William and Arabella – at least seven – including a David.

We have DNA matches to William’s family including descendants of his aunts and uncles (Samuel’s siblings), so it seemed quite resolved there. We also had good matches with Anne’s family going back into the past a little further and following her mother’s maternal line. For most of the descendants of William and Anne everything made sense, they should have matches to both families. But then some of Anne’s siblings’ descendants appeared to have matches to William's family!

The only way I can see this being possible is if “my” David Hall born about 1800 and died on 26 February 1883 at Coppenagh Mills is the son of William and Arabella Hall, born in 1797 at Lattacapple. This would mean that my great great grandparents William and Anne were first cousins. Or is it just an endogamy effect living in the same community for so long?

What do you think? Do you have a David Hall in your tree too? Is he this guy, or another one altogether? Please contact me if you think you can help.

 

 

C - Charles Vose

Charles (sometimes recorded as Charles Augustus) was most likely the 3^rd child of Edward Vose and his wife Elizabeth, nee Weller. He was an elder brother of my great great grandfather. Born about 1824 he was baptised on 7 November 1824 in Gillingham, Kent.

A record of Merchant Seaman found at Find My Past states he was born in Plymouth, Devon on 30 June 1824. This still could be correct as his father was in the Army serving with the Royal Sappers and Miners (later Engineers) and could have been stationed near Plymouth. Gillingham, where he was baptised was the birthplace of his mother, so not illogical to think the family may have returned there to baptise their son.

The 1841 census shows Charles living with his parents and younger siblings in Woolwich, Kent. I have not been able to find him in the 1851 census, but he may have been on board a ship outside of British waters. His Merchant Seaman record states he first went to sea as a boy in 1842 (he would have been about eighteen at this time) and had not served with the Royal Navy or foreign services.

On 24 April 1853 Charles married Lucy Mary Berry at St Peter’s church Walworth, Surrey. They had three children in the next three years although one died a few months after birth. At some point after the birth of their 3^rd child in early 1856 the family left England and emigrated to Canada, settling in Toronto by the time their fourth child arrived in September 1859.

In Toronto Charles became a painter. He and Lucy welcomed seven more children. Charles died in 1888 and Lucy thirteen years later in 1901. One daughter appears to have moved to Illinois, USA after her marriage but the rest of the family seem to have stayed in Toronto the whole time.

Do you know Charles and Lucy or any of their children? Are you my Canadian cousins? Please get in touch.

B - Benjamin Davys.

There are several people by this name in my tree, most I don’t really know how or where they fit in.

Benjamin Davys was born about 1718 if the age on his burial record is correct (maybe 1728 is more likely though), and was buried in the churchyard at Raddington, Somerset on 16 February 1801. He was the son of Thomas Davys and Jane Helling of Hagley Bridge, Somerset.

His father was self-styled “Lord of the Manor” having bought the manor of Raddington. I believe he also held part of the manor of Hagley Bridge with his father, another Thomas.

Thomas, the Lord, died on 21 June 1783 in his late eighties. He was intestate and left the manor encumbered with debt. His son Reverend Thomas Davys was his heir; an elder son John had predeceased their father. Sadly, Thomas died less than a year later, thankfully with a will which divided the manor between his three surviving brothers Benjamin (of Raddington), James and George (both of Milverton). Each was to have their own messuages and discharge their father and brother’s debts.

George died in March 1786. He and his wife had no children. Although I have not seen his will, in 1798 in the Land Tax Redemption records his wife was the owner and occupier of property in the parish of Raddington required to pay £2 2s 4d. In her own will all her belongings were shared amongst her sisters, nieces and nephews, but no mention was made of the property.

Benjamin died in 1801. In 1798 on the Land Tax Redemption record he was an owner and occupier of property in Raddington parish required to pay £3 6s 6d. I believe he married Elizabeth Prescott in Exeter, Devon on 17 February 1755. They had at least five children all baptised at Raddington, including two Benjamins, one dying in infancy. Again, I have not seen a will for Benjamin, but what happened to his property? Did he need to dispose of his messuage and property to discharge his share of the debt?

On the Land Tax Redemption records in 1798 James appears at least twice, once as the occupier of property owned by the Reverend Edward Webber and again in his own right as owner and occupier paying £5 5s 0d for each. His son James also appears with two properties paying £1 6s 0d for one and £1 2s 6d for the other. How does James, and consequently his son, appear to have a larger share of property than his brother and widowed sister-in-law? What happens to Benjamin and George’s property after their deaths and the deaths of their widows? James also died in 1802 leaving his property mostly to his son James.

I am supposing that the level of tax payable is reflective of the value and size of each property.

By 1841 at the time of the Tithe Apportionments and England & Wales Census we seem to be related to every family living in the parish in one way or another (aunts, uncles, cousins etc). But who is the family of John Davys (Davis) and his wife Mary Kemp who are living at Blackwell Farm on the census, where John is recorded as a labourer? We have some DNA matches to this family – are they connected to Benjamin in some way? And if so, how have they become tenants or labourers rather than owners of land? Or maybe it’s just a bit of endogamy – you know, from being related to everyone in the entire parish.

Are you a descendant of Benjamin? If you are please contact me.

A - Annie Harriet Richards

 First noticed on the census way back when we ordered microfilm to read at LDS family history libraries and then revisited when the internet and Ancestry were fledgling new options to research from afar.

We (my Dad, Mum and I) were trying to find out more about Mum’s maternal line and specifically my grandmother’s maternal line. In about 2001, we managed to reconnect with my 3^rd cousin in the USA who was also researching this line (though it was her mother’s paternal line in her case).

Annie appears on the 1881census in Dudley. She was 15, listed as a niece of the head of the house, in transcriptions her name was recorded as Amnie. But who was she?

The head of the household, Henry James, was 64 a market gardener born in Leintwardine, Herefordshire. He was my great-great-great grandfather. Others in the household were his elder unmarried daughter Elizabeth who was a dressmaker and two grandchildren Albert and Laura Kelsey. Laura was my great grandmother and Albert was my 3^rd cousin’s great grandfather. Their mother was Henry’s younger daughter who had died shortly after Laura’s birth. Perhaps Annie was a clue to help us make a step back to earlier generations. How did she fit in though?

Henry was illegitimate, his baptism on 17 August 1819 had only his mother’s name; Elizabeth James. For Annie to be his niece she had to be the child of a sibling, or of his wife’s siblings. His wife had another great surname - THOMAS! Her siblings all lived relatively close geographically but Annie’s place of birth on the census was Mold in Flintshire – not remotely close to the family as we knew it.

We purchased Annie’s birth certificate and discovered her parents’ names and that her father was a gardener, possibly on a farm or estate. I started trying to follow this family through censuses and baptismal records. I managed to follow the family back (and forward a little) through the next few decades. Although Annie’s father John mostly gave Leintwardine as his birthplace, his family seemed to be living close by in Mocktree near Kinton, Herefordshire. Was this the clue? Were the Richards family connected to the James family somehow. I wondered what the likelihood was that Henry’s mother had married after his birth. If she had and he had half siblings, he would be an uncle to their children.

Sure enough, Elizabeth James had married 12 July 1821 in Leintwardine, when Henry was about two years old, to John Richards. He was an Ag Lab at Mocktree. It was there that they raised their family of at least seven children, including Henry. Their son John was baptised 17 November 1830 in Leintwardine. On the 1851 census, John aged 20 was listed as a gardener, lodging with a family in the township of Brakes, Herefordshire not far from his childhood home. There are several estates and farms in the area where he may have been employed.

He married Catherine Stacey in Aston, Warwickshire on 18 March 1859. Catherine’s father was a Game Keeper on an estate near Meriden, Warwickshire and had held that same position for at least 20 years. Nothing is known about how they met, although there are many hypotheses that could be suggested. By the time of the 1861 census John and Catherine had one daughter and were expecting their second child. They were living in the Gardeners Cottage at Coton Hall near Alveley, Worcestershire. (Unrelated but interesting, turns out to be the ancestral home of General Robert E Lee of the American revolution fame).

Offley Francis Drake Wakeman inherited Coton Hall on his fathers death in 1855 but did not come of age until 1857. His uncle 2^nd Baronet of Periswell Hall in Worcestershire managed affairs until he reached majority. His birthday was celebrated at Coton Hall and in Alveley. He sadly died aged 29 on 20 July 1865 at Coton Hall after exerting himself playing cricket. (Information from houseand heritage.org)

Perhaps his death, and uncertainty about employment was the catalyst for the Richards family move to Nercwys. Two months later, by 11 September 1865 they had relocated to Nercwys, Flintshire where Annie was born. Catherine died there on 1 February 1867 aged 25 from tuberculosis and John moved back to England with his four young children.

John remarried ten months later in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Whether he was living there alone or with the children is unknown, however to continue working it would have been more manageable had he been able to leave the children aged 18 months to seven years with family. John and his new wife Jane had seven children. The birth certificates of the first three give their place of birth as Gravel. I think this is a farm. Sometimes the location was given as Leintwardine and others as Downton. They were all baptised at Downton though. Both places (Downton and Gravel Farm) are very close to Brakes where John had been living in 1851 on census night. There are a couple of estates Downton Hall and Downton Castle very close to Gravel Farm. We can surmise that John may have been employed at one of these, or at Gravel Farm.

On census night 1871 the family were living in Ludlow itself at 97 Old Street. On that census, John is not home and Jane is recorded as the wife of a Gardener (absent). So far, I have been unable to find him, possibly at a place of employ. Shortly afterward they moved to Market Street, and by the time of the birth of their youngest son in July 1878 they were living in Caynham, Shropshire. John died at Hopton Wafers, Shropshire on 29 November 1879 from Febris Recidiva which is a tick-borne bacterial infection causing relapsing fevers. His death was likely the reason Annie was sent to live with her uncle in Dudley, as Jane seemed to have “rehomed” her stepchildren and moved to Nottinghamshire by the time the 1881 census was taken. Annie at thirteen or fourteen might have been just the help her Uncle Henry and cousin Elizabeth needed when they had just taken in the young grandchildren in May 1879 after the death of their mother.

Annie went on to marry John Henry Jolly in Walsall, Staffordshire in early 1887. They remained in Walsall for the rest of their lives and had a family of ten children, three of whom died within a month of each other in 1903. John Jolly died in 1925 and Annie in 1947.

Have you come across Annie in your tree? Or perhaps some of her aunts, uncles or cousins? I would love to hear from you.